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Removed photos for now, too many timewasters, please ask for our photos Our name says it all, mother and daughter both seeking new Master We are only showing plain clothed pics here, but we do have pics of us nude (seperate and nude together) and harder ones of us in slavery, sex, and pain together As the mother I am seeking a strict and genuine no limits Master to train my daughter properly and willing to submit fully myself will NOT talk to timewasters seeking those into this that will be into what we do as submissive slaves she is my blood and we have ID to prove ourselves on webcam before any meets I am hazel 57 and have been a slave for 8 years back when I was her age but returning to slavery now, she is elise 26 and new to extreme slavery but she has been a submissive on and off for a while now. she needs to learn the hard way and be controlled 100% but she is submissive and willing to learn to be a slave but has in no way done the harder stuff that I used to be made to do back when I was her age and Collared and used. she is currently 15 weeks pregnant (I am of course not able to be br*d but she is and I want to be proud of her and see her br*d a lot as a slut slave, pain slave, and br**ding slave) we had a master but now seeking new one, last one was much older and needed to go be with family due to health problems (can show trusted people photos of all 3 of us and the fun we had, also can webcam) hard to relocate right now but is possible, it's just due to my daughter needing checkups for the baby but for the right Master we can relocate and we both fully understand going off the radar together and leaving behind normal life (last two photos are most recent of us with my daughter's bump clearly showing)

10/14/2015 8:25:40 PM For all those that ask, yes we both have hardcore sex and BDSM torture photos (mine are only a few now because got back into it this year but I do have many old polariods from way back when I was in my 20s/30s taking considerable pain and restraint and used to go to the SatanicPit in mid 80s for some restraint and bruising and still have some polaroids showing me hurt quite bad on stage infront of crowds if anybody older remembers the SatanicPit near HW82 back before it was closed down) will need to build trust and so don't have these harder photos or nudes showing here for all to see, but yes we both have them and I want my girl to be taught full slavery and learn the beauty of extreme pain in BDSM and sub space and how pain can turn into pleasure, so far she is very submissive in sexual use but has missed out on BDSM in it's more extreme form