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| Husband (straight/dominant) and wife (bi, submissive to him, assertive in public and dominant/nurturing towards others in our relationship).
We're a couple of kinky computer nerds in the Silicon Valley and looking for our naughty girl.
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Hmmm. Eight of nine "submissives" listing themselves as being in Redbluff, California are obviously the same spammer. Most of them have the same Yahoo IM name listed in them.
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An amusing gallery of Kama sutra sculptures:
(one of my favorites).
http://www.kama3d.org/kamasutra-Art107-4-en.html
Note that these images are dynamic widgets which can be rotated through 360 degrees by holding your mouse over their lower corners.
Lest I further perpetuate the misconception, I hesitate to post that without mentioning this:
Contrary to popular perception, especially in the western world, Kama sutra is not an exclusive sex manual; it presents itself as a guide to a virtuous and gracious living that discusses the nature of love, family life and other aspects pertaining to pleasure oriented faculties of human life. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_sutra)
(Most of the text is about courtship, marriage, and relationships ... with only some of it devoted to what we, in our more adolescent moods, might refer to as "the good stuff").
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More Nigerian Fun ...
Today, just for fun, I'm going to paste a whole conversation I'm having with yet another Nigerian scammer. The only thing I'm changing are the Yahoo IM nicknames (and any identifying information that would violate CM policies).
This is just a typical case: profile describing a young (26), petite (5'7 and 52 lbs?!) caucasian (at least she's not "native american") submissive female in Florida but willing to relocate. Emphasizing "no limit slave" and actively seeking practically every combination of dom/domme/couple and group (even sub/sub couples).
I sent a message (fully aware of what "52 lbs" means when I see it in a profile here) and got back the obligatory message about how eager "she" is to talk to me (already addressing me as "Master", of course) and giving her Yahoo IM contact info.
So, for the hell of it, I decided to chat with this one a bit to see if I can get "her" to read my journal entry closely enough to spot how likely it is that I find "her" spiel incredibly transparent. (Yes, I do mean "incredible" in its more archaic and literal sense).
So, here it is ... for your edification and amusement:
me: So where are you really located?
"her": i am with my grand ma back home in nigeria
"her": i used to be in the states
me: Right.
me: And the picture is really you?
"her": yes master it it me
me: How did your grandma end up in Nigeria? What happened to your parents?
"her": wh are u asking sir?
me: Why? Why do you think?
"her": my mom is white and my dad is a nigerian
"her": i was giving birth to as a result of a one night stand that my dad had when he came to the states
"her": and mom is dead and had to come stay with my dad
me: Go on.
"her": and that is how i got to stay here in nigeria
"her": i was in the states to serve and when my master died i had to relocate back here
me: Really? Why did you have to relcate?
me: relocate even?
"her": i said that i had to come back home to my dad and grand ma cos there was no reason staying in the states cos my master was dead
me: But then you're off in Nigeria with no job and no way to get back here.
me: When did you realize you wanted to come back and find some American as a new master?
me: Have you read our profile? (You realize I'm married, right? Like the profile says)?
"her": i have always been a slave and a no limit slave
"her": so when he died i just put in again and that was like a month ago master
me: Really ... only a month ago.
me: But even so it seems amazing that your former master didn't leave you to some friend or cousin in his will or something.
"her": lol
"her": he was a good master
"her": and he died of cancer
me: Even more so that you'd go all the way back to Nigeria before you realized that you wanted to come back here. I mean, really. It seems like it would be pretty easy to find a master here ... and a lot harder to find one from so far away.
"her": it was so painful to loose him but i saw that life must continue and therefor i seek a new owner and a new master that i will server with my life and worship
me: Cancer .. such a slow way to go. Yet he didn't find any time to see to disposing of his possessions properly ... give any thought to giving you away to some nice guy who would keep you and use you properly.
"her": yes and that is why i seek a master in the states or anywhere in the world that will relocate me to him and i will be his slave and obey him just as he wants done
"her": i like your mustash master
me: So you went over there with no way to get back even though you knew that you wanted to stay here and serve someone back "home" ... that's very confusing.
"her": and your beard
"her": i had to go back home to my grand ma
me: Ah, so you're looking over our profile ... are you reading the journal entries?
"her": and when i see a master that will wanna relocate me then i will move again just as i have done for my former master
me: Have you considered finding a Nigerian master? I'm sure there are plenty of men around there who would be delighted to have such a pretty, slutty girl.
me: Some of them would probably be extra thrilled to have a bit of "white meat" to show off to all their friends.
"her": there are no master around here
"her": and i like my masters to be white
me: Ahh. Interesting. You didn't specify any racial preferences in your profile.
"her": opps
"her": so master can u tell me about u
me: So, have you read all of my journal entries yet?
"her": and what u are searching for?
me: Oh, please, read the journal entries. It describes what we're into pretty well.
me: Take your time, I'll be here.
"her": i have
"her": i just did and i can see what u looking for
me: So did you read the parts about how I deal with lots of scammers here?
me: What do you think about those?
"her": yes i did
"her": and well its so bad to see that there are alot of them all over the place
me: You ever seen any of them? Perhaps hanging out in the Internet cafes there?
"her": no u cannot actually recornise anybody
"her": so u have had a bad experince master?
me: Not personally. I see write through them ... just as I described.
"her": i see
"her": well when have u been in search of your slave?
"her": i am willing to be your slave and be owned by u cos u seam to know what u are looking for
me: Oh. I see. You're willing to be mine, sight unseen if I fly you here. Because I sorta seem like I know what I'm looking for?
me: How would you prove that you're "real?"
"her": well its late here in nigeria
"her": so can access any phone again tonight
"her": will call u tomorrow if u give me your mobile number
me: ahhh.
me: That's not gonna work. What would it prove anyway?
"her": u asked me to prove that i was real
"her": i dont have a cam i cant lie
me: Oh, cam's wouldn't prove anything anyway.
me: Surely you're read what I have to say about those, too.
"her": so what do u want?
me: In fact you must have guessed that I just don't believe you at all here. I mean half white girl, orphaned, back in Nigeria to visit her ailing grandma ... wants to be a total no limits slave to me after a conversation like this?
"her": will u relocate me daddy?
me: To put it bluntly ... no.
me: But even if I would how would it work?
me: I'd have to send you money for vaccinations?
me: Air fare
me: ... surely you have other expenses too.
me: Perhaps some of the border guards need to be bribed?
"her": so this is what u think about me
"her": well ty
"her": bye
me: Seriously ... does this shit ever work?
me: Do you ever manage to get any greenback sent to you?
me: So, did I guess right about thea "make money from stupid, horny Americans kits?"
me: Is that how you got into this gig?
"her": i am not what u are sying
"her": and i am so embarrased
"her": please dont talk to me again
me: Oh. Okay. well, I'll just remove you from my buddies list. no problem. You have a nice night. Better luck with the next sucker then.
At this point I gave up. No actual admission (like I've managed to eke out of a couple of them in the past) ... just the sudden indignation of it all!
It's still so hard to imagine how anyone could manage to fall for one of these. I guess there are some really desparate and gullible people out there and I have to assume that the ones that actually to manage to make some money are the ones who are far to smart to waste their time talking to a skeptic like me.
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A New Low
I encountered a new low in behavior here on collarme. Apparently alt.com is employing shills to create accounts here (posting pretty feminine pictures ... of course) and having them respond to all messages with a poorly written note saying something like:
Hi thanks for showing intrest[sic] in me. Beacuse[sic] off[sic] all the rude people and fake profile I moved my profile to another site. It is free to join for standard members. just[sic] type my same screen name .... I have also posted some more pictures their[sic]. Here is a link to the site ... Thanks mary
(Okay, you caught me ... what "she" said wasn't "like" that ... it was that, verbatim. I would be hard pressed to leave 7 spelling and/or grammatical errors in only 50 words of my own writing. Naturally I have omitted the user's name and the URL itself).
Note: alt.com's so called "standard" membership doesn't let you see or do anything useful. Years ago when I first created an account there they allowed standard members to view some number of profiles per day, to contact a small number of people, responding to messages from "gold" members was free, etc.
Back then I was a paying subscriber (even though the number of contacts I was attempting was well below the free limit).
Over time they changed it so that no one could contact anyone without paying. That wasn't quite so bad ... but I seem to recall that I abandoned them when "standard" recipients of my messages couldn't read them until they signed up for a paid subscription. At the point where one of us is paying for the privilege to write to another I think it's unreasonable to require the other party to pay for the receipt.
I forget how long ago I abandoned my account over there. However, just on the off chance that things had changed I decided to follow "Mary's" link view "her" profile. Nope. It's just the ad. Try to create the "standard" account ... whoa! They still have my old account there. Same old password and e-mail linkage. Log in using that ... yep --- can't see anything unless I "upgrade."
In other words it's all just a shill.
As bad as collarme is --- the "free"-ness of it only serves to attract the infinite fakes and flakes, spammers and scammers --- as bad as it is --- it's still far better than alt.com or bondage.com. (bondage.com used to be a classy, community driven site ... 'til they became a property of Penthouse.com).
Here I occasionally meet real folks with whom I can engage in real and intelligent conversation. I know you never see my journal entries about such things ... but it's true. Those conversations usually move over to Yahoo or out to IRC after a few brief exchanges. (Sadly none of them has yet led to the slave girl of our dreams coming to live with us. But that just means that the opportunity is still open for some lucky girl out there).
I also routinely recommend (.com) to those who are real enough to get this far into reading journals here. That does seem to be a truly community focused site.
As for "Mary" --- good luck with that. Write if you get work. :)
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Building Trust.
Someone wrote to me saying: "If you really want to to satisfy you and your wife then you better have
this trust on me that i will never hurt nor wrong you both".
This from a person whose profile shows many of the hallmarks of a scammer: Single grainy rendering of a professional quality picture showing a pretty young blonde woman with an hourglass figure in a barn/farmgirl motif, allegedly from "Alabama, Alabama" and initially listing "herself" as "African American" ... later changing that to "Native American" when I'd asked about the discrepancy; unlikely ratio of height to weight ratio; no text in "her" profile; interests only including five items: Opera, Travel, Shopping, Movies and Amusement Parks.
It amazes me, given the questions I've asked of "her" that "she" is still bothering to write this sort of thing back to me. (Most just storm off in a huff saying things to imply that being so skeptical has lost me the opportunity to own the most perfect bit of girl meat on the site).
This evening I've decided to explore the question ... how do you build long distance trust over a connection that's initiated over such a notorious means as this, or any site like it?
It seems simple.
First, when you write to someone read his or her profile and journal entries and make some references to their contents. Something like: "I think you and your wife ..." is going to reassure me that you've clued in that far, at least.
When I write to you I'll almost always sign my message with my first name ... and usually add "(and ...)" with my wife's name, parenthetically. Responses that don't address me by name suggest to me that the correspondent isn't paying much attention. It could be ignorance, laziness or that he or she is carrying on so many conversations that it's impossible to keep them straight.
I don't care how pretty, young, submissive and willing you are. If you can't display enough intelligence to write a coherent message to me then we're not interested in you. I realize that some of this incoherence is home grown --- that many of the products of our "good ol' American" educational system cannot manage the most simple correspondence and spelling tasks. I don't automatically attribute such failures to dishonesty (only those that display certain foreign "broken English" patterns). However, a "girl" from Alabama, who is too lazy, illiterate and stupid isn't going to be a good slave for us.
We don't live for BDSM sexual activities. 24x7. We socialize. Mostly we socialize with geeks, nerds, intellectuals, fans of science fiction, fantasy, and literature. The sorts of folks that anti-intellectuals find incredibly boring, overbearing, threatening, condescending or otherwise intolerable.
(It's just vaguely possible that a particularly affectionate, lovely, and eager woman could be "ours" even if she was very naive. Naivete can be charming in its own way. However, it's not likely and she' almost certainly have to already be local to us to get to the point where all those positive qualities were evident. I'm not moving someone clear across the continent to live with us on a long shot like that).
How do those last couple of paragraphs relate to "building trust?"
Easy.
It's essential to acknowlege that most people are not matched to one another. Don't approach someone who is clearly not a good match for you. More to the point if you see some aspects of a profile that would naturally suggest an incompatibility and you see some way past that --- mention it. If you're a woman listing yourself as straight ... and you're writing to us ... then you'd damned well better be bi-curious and interested in exploring that.
Some more simple steps:
Phone are wonderful inventions. Plain old telephone service conveys nuances of tone and voice and accent which are phenomenally difficult to fake. Text pales by comparison. Also the financial realities of the phone system make it too expensive for potential scammers to make international calls. (Honestly, I'm not a jingo. But I'm not the slightest bit interested in dealing with U.S. immigration bureaucracy on the remote chance that we'd end up with a loving partner at the other end of the ordeal. If she can get over here on her own and arrange for her own visa, etc --- more power to her and viva la difference!0
Digital photos are notoriously easy to steal (millions of the posted to the web) and to doctor (GIMP, Photoshop). However, here's a simple technique that is beyond the skills and reasonable time investment for most fakes:
Take a plain sheet of paper (rule or graph paper is best for this, but even normal xeros is fine). Write: "To Moonburner@collarme from XXXX@collarme" on it (replacing the nicks as appropriate). Crumple of the paper and loosely flatten it back out. Hold it under your chin and take a picture of that.
It's pretty difficult to fake up such a photo. The crinkled edges and shading caused by crumpling and flattening he paper are not easily faked with graphical photo retouching tools. (Try it some time if you don't believe me; someone with those skills has better ways to make their money then trying to scam folks on a site like this).
None of these things proves anything. The only real proof of a person's sincere desire to engage in a consensual BDSM relationship is to meet in person ... and to actually play together.
However, for someone who is not local to establish some degree of trust ... to get to the point where one could even discuss a cross country, interstate, visit for face-to-face meeting ... these are the steps that seem to make sense.
Anyone have some practical positive experience with "hooking up" across state lines? (Horror stories are easy to come by --- I'm looking for tips of what works).
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How do they make any money from their scams?
I came to an odd realization the other day ... one that instantly made me feel stupid for not having immediately seen something so blatantly obvious.
While I've been on collarme I've often been amazed at the sheer transparent stupidity of many of the scammers. They post profiles listing their weights in kilos rather than lbs, they post pictures that are so fuzzy as to be a dead giveaway that they aren't from anyone on this continent. They post pictures of pale-skinned, blue-eyed blondes and list their ethnicity as "african american" or "native american." Any text in their profile is sparse and practically incomprehensible --- semantically flawed even beyond the tangled mass of spelling, punctuation, and grammatical errors.
If you're sufficiently oblivious, desparate or perversely curious enough to engage these obvious fakes in some sort of dialog then the spiel they spool out is so hackneyed ("I am orphan temp visit africa for funeral and stuck here. am needing money for vaccinations from consulate" ... and so on).
They are so outlandish that it's truly hard to imagine it ever manages to net any of the morons so much as one ill-gotten dime.
So, tickling the back of my mind as I've glanced over these profiles ... and occasionally indulged my perverse curiousity to talk with them ... has been one question:
How do they make any money off these scams?
Then it finally occurred to me. I was asking the right question ... but in the wrong context. Specifically I was thinking of the wrong "they."
The better question is this: How can anyone make money from some scam that results in these symptoms?
When posed in those terms the most plausible explanation becomes obvious, especially if you've been seeing spam for "Craigslist income kits" in recent months.
"They" make money by selling "How to make money from desparately horny Americans" kits! Doh!
Obvously most of the idiots posting these profiles that we see are never making any money from it. Logically and intuitively we know that even the dumbest, poorest, and most desparate scammers would, eventually, give up on posting profiles and conversing with people if/when it failed to net any income for a long enough time.
Yet there seems to be an endless stream of new scammers ... scammers who have gotten not one whit more savvy nor subtle. Naturally. The ones doing it last month are gone and we're seeing the new wave.
Imagine these "Collarme income kits." Some schmucks in Accra, Lagos, Freetown, and probably in Tirana, Hanoi, and others, are charging $5 or $10 each for a few Xerox'd pages, maybe even luxuriously stapled into a pamphlet, which I'm sure purports to be an in-depth guide covering everything you need to know to "meet" filthy rich, horny Americans who are just desparate to send them money.
I'd love to get ahold of one of these "kits" as I'm sure it would be incredibly entertaining reading. (Naturally I'd need to find translators for most of them, too).
So, is that it? Or am I missing some other possibility? Is there anyone here really stupid enough to fall for the international scams?
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It's been a long time since I've made a journal entry here ... and that's hardly a surprise since I've only occasionally checked the site for mail and browsed through new profiles.
Mostly I've be engaging in other pursuits.
Today I noticed a couple more profile and journal entries complaining about the rudeness of far too many men here.
That got me thinking ... what could they do at a site like this to eliminate (or at least greatly reduce) that problem.
Obviously the one mechanism that collarme has implemented to reduce the problem is the "block user" button. That means that every account can be harassed by each new account at least once.
Personally I think the option to delete a message, block the user, and inform the user that they've been blocked should all be put into one button. (Okay, I imagine some prefer that those blocked are not informed of this fact ... maybe make that a preference).
But that doesn't solve the problem.
What if the recipient could report the message as rude, harassing or offensive? If there was a button that would delete it and categorize it?
What should the site do with such a thing?
I pointed out, in my message to one of these women, that this site seems to be supported entirely by the advertising ... anything that drives eyeballs away from the site will be counterproductive to their needs.
So just killing the accounts of people who get more than a certain number of "thumbs down" votes would seem to be a loss. (Even if that threshold is computed as a ratio of messages sent to those which receive negative feedback).
However, it seems quite feasible to use this computation as a hint. Allow me to have a setting that routes messages from rude/offensive people to my bulk mail folder or automatically block them. The person "honored" with this treatment needn't know ... they can keep clicking and blithely mailing their tripe (and availing themselves of the pornographic products surrounding all this activity) while the recipients can mostly ignore them.
Some jerks will stay below the threshold and still manage to be pests ... but over time most of the worst will have managed to garner enough "black marks" in short enough time to get themselves censored out of most of our inboxes.
(I like the idea of keeping the computation based on the ratio of messages sent to different recipients to those that resulted in "thumbs down" or "rotten strawberry" feedback. However, it should probably be based on messages over the last 90 days or so. If someone cleans up their act then they'll be off the "blacklist" eventually. Let each user determine the level of offensiveness that they which to block, without going into too much detail about how it's computed. The highest level would block those with very few "black marks" while the lowest would be somewhat more forgiving. Perhaps also enable this to be used for filtering searches --- offensive people won't show up in a girl's searches, either if she enables that threshold, as well).
The other problem would be "sock puppet" accounts. Those are created to spam or harass someone. The typical behavior would be that the harasser creates one account after another, hitting their target(s) and knowing that they'll get booted or blocked immediately.
Let me have a setting that specifies that all mail from accounts less than *__* days old get routed to my bulk folder. Any account closed or deleted before find the messages sent therefrom could also automatically be removed from my bulk folder. Any mail from any account that's flagged as "rude" can have a little icon or other decoration (thumbs down, perhaps) on it. So when I see it in my bulk folder know why it's there and I can tell without bothering to read it that I'll just want to dispose of it.
Gee. Wouldn't it be nice if they had a forum specifically for posting enhancement requests?
Oh well. Perhaps one of their admins will spot this one. If someone reading this knows where to send such suggestions, please mail me.
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Stopping Spam
I just had an interesting idea for reducing the amount of spam women (mostly) get on this site. I'll have to try to find some way to contact the site admins about possibly implementing it.
In this case most of the "spam" to which I'm referring are those messages which are cut and pasted to every woman, or every submissive woman, or every submissive woman under this age and/or weight, etc. The messages from guys who are routinely ignoring whatever you've said in your profile. There seems to be relatively little commercial/political or other spam (of the sort that we see far to much in our regular e-mail) here.
So my idea would simply entail the option to attach a short (two or three question) quiz to your inbox. Anyone who isn't not among your friends or favorites lists (people you admire) would be required to correctly answer two or three multiple choice questions based on content from your profile. You would choose the questions and the answers (even the "wrong" answers).
Penalty for incorrect answers: one full day, per wrong answer, until that user can try to write to you again.
This doesn't guarantee "no spam" --- but it seems like it would, at least, require that the spammer spend a few minutes aquainting themselves with key points in your profile. For example a woman who is already collared and only looking for a domme could ask: "I'm looking for: ..." (where the answers might be: a domme; a master; a gangbang; a quick screw; and "some dork who's dumber than my dildo").
(Even better there could be a long list of stock questions and answers for people to incorporate into their quizzes; it could be fun to have a message board devoted to that topic).
Optionally it would be nice of the user could choose certain questions where the penalty would be: "autoblocked." Get that answer wrong and you are automatically blocked ... and a message appears in your bulk mail folder noting who got it and when.
(BTW: there should be nothing to prevent the user from embedding tricky or difficult questions into the quiz).
Also: yes I'm aware that some people embed questions in their profile text with instructions that the answer must be in the first line or two of any responses. The advantage of my enhancement request here is to automate the filtering of those.
Anyway, here's hoping I can get the maintainers of this site to implement this idea. I've noticed that I only rarely get spam here --- presumably simply because I'm a guy, part of a couple, and frankly we're only of about average appearances and just old enough not to be attractive on that count. Nonetheless I would like to see as much of the spamming problem solved here as possible since it drives women away and buries my messages so that our prospective slave can't find them. It's basically a case of "enlightened self interest." --- for very dim views of "enlightened."
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes
(Who shall watch the watchers?)
Juvenal poses this question in response to Plato's Republic. It's a question to keep in mind any time anyone, or any entity, offers to protect you.
Obviously it matters on a large scale. Grant expansive un-constitutional powers to law enforcement with something like the USA PATRIOT Act and eventually you'll come to realize that our forefathers from England knew, first hand, a thing or two about opression; that the systems of checks and balances were intended to ensure custody of the custodians.
But the principle can apply on a personal level, too. Consider the following profile by an alleged submissive woman on the West Coast of the U.S.:
I am a sub and this is my second profile. This profile is to help
other subs avoid the prediators online. Send me a private message and I
can give you some advice if the Dom you are interested in is a creep or
not
Yes, that is verbatim; grammatical, orthographic and other errors rendered faithfully.
I remember the first profile, too and I responded privately asking the logical questions:
* Why would a woman in search of a dom be searching the profiles of other submissive women for such advice?
* Why should anyone trust that you have any real information about who is a creep? Are you going a psychic? ... a top notch private investigator? How are you going to know any more than a woman can learn directly for herself?
* Should any woman trust that your definition of "creep" matches her own? Are you poly? Are you a pain slut? Do you think a slave should be kept and home and pampered or encouraged (even commanded) to develop a career?
* What do you get out of all this?
These are all obvious questions. The answers are, sadly, a foregone conclusion (and the the lack of response was hardly surprising).
I've written about this topic before but the advice I have is important enough to bear repeating:
You must first trust your own judgement and be objectively honest with yourself. If you know that you are not a good judge of character, know that you are inexperienced, naïve, even a touch gullible, then you must also find someone you can trust. Someone in real-life. Preferably such a confidant should be a "disinterested" third party --- someone who doesn't stand anything to gain by offering bad advice nor anything to lose by offering the best advice.
It's best of you have a couple of confidants and advisors; people who you have known a long time, and who are sufficiently independent from one another that you are getting truly different perspectives.
(Yes, that means my wife and are are disqualified for any young, pretty,
female, bisexual, polyamorous submissives in our area or who might be willing to relocate --- we have everything to gain by telling you to just pick us). :)
I wonder if it's even useful for me to offer this advice. Wonder that anyone out there might be stupid enough to trust advice from someone like the author of the profile I've quoted ... and if any of the people who are stupid enough to do that would be smart enough to heed might advice. I even wonder what's up with the creator of that profile --- what game she (or he) is playing or, if it's no game, just how self-deluded she is.
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Vacuous Criticism
Awhile back I saw a woman complain bitterly in her journal about how all the message she was getting here "all the same" and how lame all the guys here are for not being able to tittilate her with any creativity. She whined at how unimpressed she was with this site.
Now it's fine to complain about getting form letters (basically "c'ere, babe!" spam) and messages from the ignorant (in the sense that they completely ignored everything about one's profile).
However, there was a certain hypocrisy to this particular woman's entry. Her profile amounted to a blatant demand for erotica ... something along the lines of: "I'm a hot, young thang and want you to write me stories to read one-handed --- write me 10,000 words or don't bother me at all" (actually it was, and still is, only 22 words long, actually shorter than my paraphrasing).
Her profile listed no "favorite activities" either.
(To top that off she expresses disdain for anyone "old enough to be her dad." So she's looking for creative stories from horny young studs. Personally my first guess would be someone trolling for erotica to plagiarize and post to some other site).
Reading this just happened to catch me in one of those moods ... one where I just felt like responding. The following is the response I wrote them (many months ago). I happened across it while searching my "sent" folder for something else; re-read it and decided that it might be thought provoking for others:
It's amusing to me that you're not impressed with this site. After all, you've essentially treated it like a walk-in smut factory. Popped up a profile just to order up free porn.
Spank you, tickle you, douse you with candle wax, tease you with ice, spank, whip and fuck you ... in every suitable orifice. Of course it would all sound the same.
That's because these stories are, of necessity, written in a vacuum. They don't resonate because they can't; you and their authors have no rapport. If a story were to strike a chord it would only be by chance, or by dint of exceptional writing talent.
What would *I* do with you as my slave? Well, there's the rub. In order for you to become my slave ... *our* slave ... we'd have to establish a rapport ... among all three of us.
But your profile offers no way for that to happen. It's vacuous.
You say you're a pain slut. That implies that a mere hand spanking would be insufficiently stimulating. You say you're looking for abuse. That suggests that you'd prefer to be pushed ... forced in some ways, and given little or no latitude to protest nor to resist.
But that is all that you have said. Nothing more, not even a check list of the "stock" proclivities.
Would I spank you? Yes. Would I tie you up? Sometimes. Would I employ wax, ice, feathers? Perhaps. Would I fuck you? Of course. But, as you've discovered, a mere catalog of activities is meaningless.
How would I spank you? That would depend ... on the situation, on the moment ... and especially on the mood and how you responding --- physically, sexually, and emotionally . Mood is the product of a relationship, feelings, and setting.
Essentially you've asked people to read your mind or to shoot in the dark.
Maybe, a fantasy that might actually catch your eye is one that depicts images of you being dragged out into the woods by a rough jute rope around your throat, wrists crossed and bound at the small of your back, bared to the waist with your blouse hanging in tatters ... of being tied in a standing spread eagle, feet to the trunks of birch trees to either side ... arms outstretched to the branches above ... and the feel of a single tail licking at your back, and snaking around to nip at the swell of each hip and breast in turn.
Is that the one for you?
Probably not. It probably sounds hackneyed ... cliche. Smut shop paperback fare.
Perhaps a caning? Setting: a book-lined study, deep mahogany desk, leather bound chairs. An umbrella stand bristling with corporal implements, from which you are forced to pick your poison? Will it be the birch switch? The rattan cane? The riding crop? The headmaster wields the crop on nipple, vulva and even on tender clitoris ... and its handle, knurled with tightly braided knotwork would be no stranger to the deepest recesses of your cunt and ass.
Are those the images that capture your imagination? Who could possibly know?
Bah!
There are a million images I can dream up. But they are merely masturbatory when conceived in isolation.
See my point?
In any event I am old enough to be your father, though I'd hope that I am, in fact, a good deal younger than he. Sadly you'll probably find that most of the younger men on this site are even less creative than us geezers.
I didn't expect any response, and she fully met with those expectations.
If there is a point to this story then perhaps it's my own observation that you cannot but reap what you've sown. If you don't reveal anything of yourself, your needs, hopes and desires --- then it is pathetic as well as futile to complain that you only get "one-liners" in response.
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Academic Ramblings
A woman with a brand new profile here created a journal entry apparently
about ten minutes after creating her profile. In it she complains that
she'd received a number of negative responses telling her how "horrible"
she is and asserting that "somewhere someone must be tracking this. 10
minutes...wow."
I point out to her that the negativity of the responses might be skewed
by the fact that she'd created her profile bright and early on
Christmas Morning. What sort of guy is mostly likely to be perusing and
responding to profile early in the morning on this particular holiday?
What frame of mind is such a person likely to be in? Naturally we could
over-generalize. However, the stereotypes that these two questions are
likely to have evoked are probably close enough to fit the most common
case.
As to whether someone is tracking a record for this sort of thing ... I
could see some interesting avenues of social science research in that
sort of survey. I find the gender disparities among people who frequent
these sorts of sites to be fascinating, though I'm hardly inclined to
undertake a serious academic study of the matter.
The most obvious disparity is in the sheer numbers of men versus women
that create profiles on a site like this (or alt.com, or bondage.com,
etc). The ratio is at least tens to one --- sometimes hundreds to one.
Combine that with the large number of fake female profiles ("gender
benders" indulging in pranks, curiosity, or their own perversity; and
the huge number of scammers --- Nigerians and others who are here to
make a buck off the incredibly desparate and gullible) and the
disproportionately high number of women seeking other women
(out of proportion to the number of lesbian and bisexual women in the
population at large) and you have a dynamic which causes a number of
negative feedback behaviors.
(It should be obvious that the principal reason there are so few
attractive young women genuinely looking for men here is that such
women have little trouble finding kinky, reasonably good-looking, and
reasonably well-off men without resorting to the Internet. The miracle
is that there are any such women on a site such as this)!
Another disparity which isn't quite as obvious ... one which is
more qualitative than quantitative, is the difference in objectives.
The vast majority of men on this site are looking to get laid. Some want
a submissive or a slave, some want a domme, so aren't even all that picky.
Most, naturally, want an attractive woman (which generally means younger
and slimmer than any of the women that these guys have "available" to
them in real life). Many of the attractive young women on this site
want something other than a man or want him for something other than
immediate sexual gratification.
This further widens the gap.
Some of the most common complaints among women on this site relate to
"one-liners" (messages from men expressing some degree of interest but
which are otherwise completely bereft of any details, any basis for
establishing common ground or mutual curiosity), "mass mailings" (which
are obviously cut & pasted to every new female profile in large quantities)
and to the huge volume of other ignorant responses --- those which completely
ignore anything she has said in her profile or journal entries, those which
contradict whatever she's said or blatantly demand immediate and ludicrously
implausible levels of obedience, etc.
Both of these are, unfortunately, a rather predictable response to the
population dynamics of the site. As predictable as lemmings leaping to
their doom from the cliffs of Norway.
(By the way, ladies, while I appreciate your aversion to getting
"one-liners" I have to point out that those of you with empty or nearly
empty profiles aren't exactly giving anyone much of an opportunity to
initiate a scintillating intellectual exchange. A profile consisting
almost exclusively of a picture and the admonition against "one-liners"
might as well just say: "Don't call me! I won't call you." Sadly a
pretty picture or even just stats the sound like every horny guy's
favorite wet dreams --- 18 years old, 110 lbs, blonde hair, blue eyes,
etc. --- will net you hundreds of profile responses every day regardless
of how vacuous or poorly written your profile text. That will likely
only seem to confirm your worst fears about the average intelligence
level of the guys on this site).
I don't know where I'm going with this rambling. Consider it all just
some stray thoughts from someone who has spent too long observing
this scene.
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Best wishes to all for a happy new year.
To all who read this, please accept my best wishes and highest hopes for a happy new year.
Incidentally, a few of you may have recieved messages from me with some odd punctuation. I'm playing with a new computer (a replacement for my father's which recently). Just using it for a day or so to "burn it in." I had enabled an X feature called "dead keys" (for supporting multilingual diacriticals). When I would push the ['] or ["] key it doesn't type the character right away (I expected that) --- but I mistakenly thought the way to get an actual " or ' was to type the character twice. Unfortunatelly that gives me ¨ and ´ (umlaut and accent grave characters). Naturally I wasn't looking at my screen that carefully, though I did think that the glyphs looked a little odd, even in that unfamiliar font.
(Later I found out that the right sequence is to follow those characters with a [Space]).
So I hope that doesn't look too ugly those who got messages from me.
One message I tried to send as a simple greeting to someone on my "Who's Viewing Me?"[sic] (should be "Us," of course). Later I looked through my "Sent Mail" to see who's received my messages and didn't see that among them. Okay, I figured perhaps I somehow missed the [Send] button and closed a window too quickly. No problem.
On the second attempt I noticed the "User has blocked you" response. I have no clue why she blocked me --- so far as I recall I've never written to her before, nor encountered her in chat. I vaguely wonder if, perhaps, she accidently hit the wrong button or checkbox while view us. Pity if that's the case. But "C'est le vie!"
Anyway, I'm rambling. G'night all, and to all a happy new year.
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Hint:
If you send us a message declaring your interest in
being our obedient slavegirl ... I'm gonna check my
"Who's Viewing Me" [sic] ("Who's Viewing *Us*") and
be a little skeptical if your name isn't there.
Actually I'll be a bit skeptical even before I check ...
when I can plainly see that you have cleverly avoided
including anything that uniquely refers to anything
about us --- it'll be painfully obvious that this
"personal" solicitation was composed to be pasted to
10,000,000 other people on the site. In fact, even if
you have actually looked at our full profile, I'll look
for some sign thatyou have any idea who we are, and
what we're looking for. There will be a quiz. (Probably
not as crass as this journal entry --- just some subtle
questions about your interests and what you find
attractive about us).
Of course you could just state that right up front. :)
(Honest, if you're the girl for us then we won't run
out of things to talk about any time soon. My wife
and I have been together for 17 years and we still
have lots to talk about. For the first 10 years we
hadn't been apart for more than a long weekend,
but a few fortnight long business trips to Japan ---
and some massive phone bills --- broke that streak).
Naturally this journal entry could be taken as a
set of guidelines to help prospective scammers, fakes
and flakes make it a little further past my bullshit
detection. Frankly that would be fine with me --- at
least that would be more entertaining than the
lame, blatant attempts I've seen so far.
On the positive side I've found a few more charming
and intelligent women here. Nice to chat with, but
still no one who seems like the perfect match for us.
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Feature Requests (For the programmers behind collarme's website):
First: create a place to log feature requests and complaints (duh!) (Like Journal entries are definitely not the place for this).
Second: for filtering on "They are seeking" -- make that a checkbox/multi-selection option. I want to search for women who are looking for any sort of M/F, M/f couple and anyone interested in possible polyamorous relationships and the meanings of the various options listed (Male-Dom, Dom-Dom, FemDom) are actually pretty vague) so there's no way I can count on others interpreting these ambiguous terms the way I do. Also I might be interested in women who are seeking just "dominant men" --- depending on their other interests (some express a curiosity about polyamorous or bisexual relationships)
Also when filtering/searching I'd prefer to just exclude dominants to consider subs, slaves, and even some switches. As it is I either have to keep switching my search criteria around or I have to filter out all the dommes manually.
Third: given the extremely large number of profiles alleging to be from bisexual women who are NOT looking for MEN (but apparently unable to list themselves as lesbians for purposes of their collarme profile -- nor list themselves as part of a couple when they claim they are already taken) ... provide a checkbox that just says: "Not looking for men!" (and perhaps "Not looking for couples/groups"). That would be on one's profile --- then provide the corresponding feature in the search filtering. I'd be absolutely delighted not to see any profiles from women who have actively stated that they're not even a little interested in any prospect of being contacted by me (us).
In fact, perhaps the thing to do would be to have the whole "seeking" feature re-implemented as a three-state selection: Yes, NO, and ?? ("don't care" or "maybe" or "unspecified"). Do this on both sides (from the perspective of someone filling in his or her (or their) profile ... and on the search side for filtering out all and sundry.
Regarding "Willing to relocate" -- why not make that
"local or willing to relocate." In general I'd like to consider women who are already near me *or* are willing to relocate. But if I select that checkbox in the search options then I miss all the local women who aren't interested in relocating. Duh! So I have to keep switching that button and toggling from "All states" to "California."
Also we should have an option for "In this country only" I don't care to consider all those Nigerians and Ghanaians and even the Europeans who are "willing to relocate." (Well, I'd consider them just fine --- so long as they can make their own arrangements for visas or green cards have dual citizenship. But that effectively means "filter them all out" to me). Conversely people should be prompted for some hint about what "relocate/travel" means to them. (I suspect most submissives and slaves would say: "only within the U.S." or words to that effect).
Also it would be nice to filter out all empty profiles.
Lastly --- why don't we have better support to allow couples to fill in their profile. I'm about 200 lbs; my wife is about 130 lbs. What should we list in our profile? The average? I'm 5'8" she's 5'2" ... I'm dominant she's switch (or sub to me and domme to our ideal submissive/slave).
Another feature that would be nice would be to have a checkbox that means: I've they've blocked or hidden me --- then hide them from me. This would be the: let's not waste each other's time" button.
For that matter we should probably have a way to register our complaints and criticisms. Not allowing this just means that you get poeple creating throwaway profiles named things like: avoid* and *isFake anyway.
So put in a button to "register a complaint" and allow each user to have up to *one* short complaint about any other user. (Then I can see when any user has 100 complaints against them, and glance at the list of criticisms (with some indication of how many other complaints that user has ever lodged against others. If I see that someone has 5 complaints by 5 notoriously bitchy people (each of home complains about everyone who doesn't offer to suck them off on the first date) then I can discount the value of those accordingly).
Of course I realize that online reputation systems for sites with any goal of anonymity are a hard problem. But there must be some way to eliminate the need for people to do stupid "flyby" hacks to lodge their complaints.
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Encouraging Words
So, after every journal entry in which I rant about some
behavior I've seen or been subjected to here I get a few
messages of condolences and appreciation --- encouraging
words that remind me that there are people who are
here under no pretense ... who are just what they say
they are and are clear and honest, with us and with
themselves, about what they're here for.
I should take the opportunity to expression my thanks
to them ... and my appreciation of them ... more often.
So, thank you, each of you and all of you collectively.
You know who you are.
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Nasty Troll,
So I get a message from some submissive straight guy
who claims to be interested in being trained and kept
as a K-9. I write back asking if there was some part
of our profile that was ambiguous --- I'm straight,
and my wife is not interested in other men. We're
looking for a submissive/slave girl to join us.
Now, I understand that these bulk spammers get into
a rythm of cut-and-paste. Heck, maybe some of them
even write scripts to do it. So it's not surprising that
their scattershot hits a few degrees off target.
The irritating thing is that this particular numb
nuts decides to write back calling me a "nasty troll."
When I write back to point out that it was, in fact,
he who "trolled" me, naturally I find that the coward
has blocked me.
Sad. Typical but sad. Naturally I will respect the
policies of this site's maintainers and not publicly
post this guy's profile name here in my journal. Even
more sadly, I know that the women around here get
about 100 to 1000 times as much of that sort of crap.
My condolences goes out to them.
Cowardice seems to be a common failing on this and
sites like it. Ultimately I have to assume that most of
the deception is motivated by fear --- so people lie
about their age, their weight, their experience, their
gender, etc.
Recently I had a promising series of conversations
with a young woman on the East Coast. We got to
the point where the next logical step was to talk on
the phone. She said she'd go out and buy a pre-paid
calling card the next day and call me that evening.
Of course that day came and went ... a week ago.
Her account disappeared for a couple days (then
reappeared?) and she's been non-responsive in IM.
Now, I'm not one to jump to conclusions. However,
in the absence of any communications to the contrary
I have to assume that she changed her mind ... or
perhaps that she was lying to me all along ... playing
a game and calling it quits ("Game Over") when there
wasn't really more to say online.
Of course once the credibility cracks like that ... then
it's shattered completely. Was I talking to a woman
at all? Or was it a "gender bender" exploring a
fantasy? Perhaps it was a couple of people, kids who
shouldn't have been here at all --- just pulling an
adolescent prank.
I can't say this sort of thing surprises me. I'm old
enough, experienced and perceptive enough to have
seen it all before. Sometimes it saddens me to be such
a jaded cynic. Perhaps that one reason why I find
myself attracted to young novices in the lifestyle ---
to vicariously experience some of that innocence even
while acting as corrupter, and protector. (Note:
you don't have to be "innocent" to be attractive to us,
and certainly we don't want you to be naïve there's
still a sort of fresh eagerness that not mutually
exlusive of some experience and worldliness).
Anyway, we won't let the fakes and flakes drive us
away.
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Bulk mail.
I just realized that I had messages in my bulk mail folder. Not many, and the only old ones where, in fact, trash.
Note: I currently route all mail from men and from other countries to bulk mail. I've clearly said that my wife and I are interested in adding another ... one other ... woman to our lives. While I do enjoy chatting and corresponding with many people, (including both submissive and dominant men) ... I've found that essentially all of the messages from men that we've received have been mass pasted form letters from people who clearly didn't read our profile (or completely ignored what I've said there) .
(Yes, ladies, I do understand. I also realize that most of you get about 100 to 1000 times more of that crap than we ever will).
As for international mail: while I have to offer my heartfelt apologies to the many sincere kinksters here (on collarme) who are not .. .well ... here (in the U.S. of A) ... I have to deal with the practical issue. Almost all of the mail I've received from profiles that were associated with other countries have been your typical Ghanaian, Nigerian and other forms of scam spam. Sadly, even if we did contact an honest and
real slave who was truly interested in immigrating
here to be ours ... I don't see how we could deal with
all the red tape to make that happen. (Not really so
worried about the expense ... the legitimate expenses
aren't really that high; and we have no connections
to arrange any sort of bribes that would be too
expensive in any event; But I don't see it happening
unless she's a University exchange student, or she
already has dual citizenship or some other "in").
So my mail filtering will stay as it stands. I'll just
remember to check it more often.
If anyone reading this has ever sent us mail and been
ignored ... feel free to send us another (so long as it's
on the up and up and you make it clear that you've
actually read our profile and understand it).
(Usually I do respond, even to the most egregiously
ignorant correspondence; and I will promise to
notify anyone who becomes enough of a pest that I
need to block him or her in particular).
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Favorite scams
How about the one who list "her" Yahoo IM in "her" profile and then lays on a sob story about how "she" went to Ghana with her former master? See "she's" stuck there now, and needs money ($325.00) to update "her" vaccinations before "she "can fly back to the U.S. to be your new slave.
I have to smile as a shake my head ruefully. Part of me is sorry for the poor pathetic schmucks that fall for this sort of tripe. Of course three C-notes is chump change for the education it provides to someone here. It would only be the beginning and I'm sure the Nigerian and Ghanian economies will appreciate the few grand that a real chump will dole out before realizing what's up.
There there was the "doctor" from West Africa whose "slave" was on the auction block. If you were the right master for her he'd send "her" to you straight away. "She's" very willing and obedient and has always dreamed of serving a master or mistress or couple in America. (That one was on the chat channels and was duly reported to AlphaGeek and blocked, of course).
Luckily most of those I chat with aren't scammers. Too many of them are flakes who either aren't sure what they want or not entirely realistic in their expectations.
Eventually we'll find the right girl for us.
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Trustworthiness:
In one journal entry a young, novice submissive asks an intriguing question ... what is "the one question" she should ask of a serious, prospective dominant?
Mulling over it for a bit I think the most important question that should be asked *about* each person is:
Are you trustworthy?
However, for obvious reasons that is a question that must be asked about someone rather than simple being posed to him or her. Even if you had an infallible lie detector you could not take a person's answer at face value.
That's because the are two vital aspects to trustworthiness. There are fakes and flakes.
The obvious one relates to honesty, sincerity, integrity and ethics. However, the more subtle element to trust concerns competence and capacity? Is he or she wise enough to know his or her limits ... and to respect them?
These are questions that we must each ask ourselves about any person with whom we consider getting intimately involved. Not just if we are kinky, and not even just for sexual intimacy. Trust is the foundation of a relationship and it's not just about "good intentions" but about the ability to follow through.
So, if that is the ultimate question and we accept a direct answer at face value then how do we find the answer for each person we might meet?
It boils down to this: you must be a trustworthy judge of character. (Yes, to trust your own judgement you have to be both honest with yourself and develop a degree of competence and perception as well).
In any event if you master this one skill it will serve you far beyond just finding a kinky playmate or even finding a lifelong, loving partner.
Of course you can do pretty well by finding a few truly trustworthy confidantes ... being very honest with them and trusting their opinions. You'll never be completely free of the need and responsbility to judge character ... but you don't have to go it alone, either.
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Not a sadist!
While I (Mr. Moonburner) have mildly sadistic tendencies when it comes
to sexual play. They don't extend to my social demenor.
Now that our picture is up suddenly we're getting messsages. I wonder
if people click that "photos only" button in their search profiles.
Of course a couple of them have been from guys. It doesn't bother
me much to point out to them that we're pretty clear about that ---
we're only interested in finding a woman.
(By the way that really means just one slavegirl for us ... I don't
want a stable and we only have so much room in this li'l ol' shack)
However, there was a woman I exchanged messages with today where I felt
like I was being cruel to turn her down. While she seems sincere and
submissively kinky she's older than either of us, a bit heavier set,
doesn't write English well, and just isn't attractive to me.
So as bad as I felt telling her that it was an unlikely match ... I
would have felt worse doing anything else (lying, or just ignoring
her for example).
(I know from long experience that my wife's tastes are very closely
meshed to mine --- not just in looks but in personality as well;
we've been together for 16 years now and our feelings about other
people have always been in sync).
For those who actually read journals as well as profiles I'll say what
we're looking for. It'll probably sound shallow and trite in some
ways but our ideal match would be a younger (college students very
welcome), about as petite than my wife (she's 5'4" and 140 lbs. or so;
very petite women are also welcome --- and I absolutely adore tiny
little titties), and intelligent (did I say: college students welcome?
science, math and computer nerds are even more so).
We don't smoke nor do we indulge in drugs. She doesn't drink at all
(hates the taste of the stuff) and I drink in moderation. A couple
times a year I might decide to get tipsy, even flat out inebriated.
(Even at my drunkest I've never been in a brawl, never driven under
the influence, nor anything of the sort. So I'm pretty darned mellow).
We are not wealthy nor even well-to-do. We are home "owers" (owning
would be after we paid the mortgage off, after all). Currently we
both work full time jobs. Being computer nerds in the Silicon Valley,
we've had various stints of tightened purse strings in the past.
Given the nature of the Silicon Valley's boom/bust economic cycles
we're likely to encounter those again in the future. (We might just
get lucky in some start-up, of course; but that's a bit of a lotto).
Despite all that we can readily support a nice slave girl ... including
putting her through college. (Did I mention I have a thing for college
students? Oh yeah, and "Professor/student" is one of my favorite
roleplaying scenarios though I'm not much into elaborate costumes
and corny dialog. I'm also an experienced teacher and mentor --
quite apart from my BDSM proclivities).
Extra bonuses for girls who are into science fiction, fantasy, and
other nerd stuff.
Now, if you're a submissive of slave woman who's read this far and
feels like you're "close" but not quite up to what I'm describing here
... don't be dejected. Individuals are more important than shopping
list preconceptions.
The reason I haven't posted these as criteria in our profile is because
individuals are more important than shopping list preconceptions.
So, even if you're around our age or even older, even if you're almost
as big as me (between 200 and 220 lbs) or taller, or have enormous
pendulous boobies and no interest in math, computers or nerdy stuff
... it's still possible that you could be our perfect slave girl.
(Even if you normally bristle at being called a "girl" --- so long as
you're willing to be "our girl.")
And for those who've read this and decided that we're just a couple
of shallow, greedy horndogs ... yeah! And ....?
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Grump! I write in paragraphs and the journal feature here doesn't respect that. Oh well.
I never cease to be amazed at the number of profiles which are categorized as submissive females in which the ostensible woman already has a master and is looking for "sister slaves." Why don't they list themselves as couples? In a few cases they were clearly written by the master and some say right up front that the mail is only to be read by the master (or misstress).
So, why not list as a "couple" and why list in the submissive category. Do submissives really search through and read the listings of other submissives? Do these couples (or groups) really think that's the best way to have poly or swinger submissives find them? Do they even put that much thought into it.
Recently a woman I was talking with on the phone asked why I don't have my wife (and submissive) conducting the search for me. She wants us to have a playmate, even a live-in slavegirl, too. However, the fact is that I'm the one who's going to choose and I'm the one to takes the lead in all such things. That's our dynamic.
Anyway, I am curious if these "submissives looking for sisters" get any responses. I'm curious if any submissive women reading this who are looking for a poly couple actually search the site for other submissive women in order to find though listings. Let me know.
(Incidentally, we'll be having breakfast this Friday with young woman on the phone and her sister. She's a sweetie from a different site; her sister used to have a profile here. The sis isn't bi nor poly but we'd exchanged friendly messages on both sites).
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I've been keeping a window open to collarme's chat channels the last few days, and conversing with a few people here.
I noticed something odd when glancing at a particular submissive man's profile: entries for: Annual Income and Net Worth!
Somehow that seems to have rather crass implications. Perhaps I'm some sort of old-fashioned puritan about that sort of privacy and maybe some would consider it odd that I'd be more comfortable publicly announcing my penis size (which is probably about average) than my income (which is somewhat higher than median for my region).
Anyway, for whatever reason the dialog entries for my profile don't ask the question so I have to presume that it's only offered to some categories (such as single dominants or submissives rather than couples).
If you're a submissive woman or a budding slave girl, and you need assurance that my wife and I can support you before you can be ours (which seems very reasonable) then drop me a line. It's something you'd have to verify before you were committed anyway. Of course there's alot more to living with us as our playmate or our property than "annual income" would convey. There's alot more to trust, respect and attraction than anyone can glean from checkboxes and profile text. Anyway, I thought that was an odd thing to see.
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Abuse by proxy!
I saw a profile today claiming to be from an 18 year old woman, 95 lbs. and 5'4" repeatedly urging all to send graphically abusive (and scatological) e-mail to a yahoo.com address.
How many of those who frequent this site would be so naive as to direct their depraved missives to this third party address? Isn't it obvious that this would be the easiest way to induce a bunch of gullible shills to abuse some innocent bystander? Imagine a ventriloquist throwing his or her voice from someone else's vicinity and screaming: "slap me!"
If you've ever wondered why collarme.com has a policy against posting personal 3-rd party contact info in the profiles here just ponder this situation and wise up.
Of course it's just barely possible that the profile is not a ploy; that there really is a somewhat silly (and depraved) girl how there who really does want to get mail about being slapped, abused and worse. However, it's sufficiently unlikely that I'd prefer to just report to the admins here and to the target of this apparent stunt and risk offending some sincere bimbo.
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Okay, the site didn't "lose" my picture, it didn't like it. Apparently it was too risque for the local taste police even through it only hints at nudity rather than overtly showing any. (It's a picture of me holding a belt between my hands, I'm clearly naked but only a tuft of my lower hair is visible, cut off by the lower edge).
I'm sure I've seen considerably more overt pictures of full frontal nudity for the women on this site (before and since).
Oh well, perhaps I'm just too homely to post such a picture. :)
Speaking of pictures, I think I was corresponding with a pic collector yesterday. Profile that sounded too good to be true (but I don't pre-judge on that basis alone --- if I did then I'd guarantee that my wife and I will never meet a pretty, petite, young, novice slave through this site :( ).
The suspicious characteristics: her only response to my initial message was a request for pictures (I sent one of me and suggested we talk a bit before sending one of my wife). The immediate response was a request for more pics and one sentence saying she wasn't ready to chat or talk on the phone. My response was a gentle lesson on what pic. collectors are are how they operate. No response and today the account has been deleted.
Note: pic. collectors apparently like to get pictures of average looking guys, even slightly homely ones (I'll let viewers decide which category I'm in. :)) I don't have first hand knowlege of this but from what I've heard and surmised these are used in their correspondence with pretty women to trade up into some pictures that are then posted (illegally, without copyright or publication releases) to some offshore porn sites.
Oh well. I look forward to corresponding with sincere people, and eventually meeting the pretty, young slave of our dreams. (And she doesn't have to be all that pretty or all that young even. :) ).
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Silly site seems to have lost my picture and crushed all of the paragraph breaks from my profile.
Naturally I just noticed this now and have no idea how long it's been like that; I never look at my profile here.
Sigh!
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