This is not about sex (that may or may not be a part of it). This is not even about wanting to submit and serve ,it is about needing to subjugate your will to another. We seek those who know that submission is central to who they are. You may have hidden your needs from friends and family, perhaps even tried to deny them to yourself. But deep down, you know you are addicted to the intoxicating blend of endorphins that your body releases as it tries to reconcile the serenity you feel from giving up all free will to another , and the anticipatory excitement you feel from not knowing what will happen next.

She is more into the sensual side of domination; having submissives acting as a serving maid or footstool, cleaning our house, cooking, serving as a bath attendant or simply being an object of amusement. Think Anne Rice's 'Beauty Chronicles' for an understanding.

He is more of the strict disciplinarian, enforcing obedience and submission as required; bondage, corporal punishment, forced feminization of males, humiliation and objectification. These are not firm distinctions of what we will and will not do. We are not sadists, but understand and appreciate how to apply pain to a sumissive when needed, either as a punishment, motivator or reward. "Those who want a rose, must respect the thorns."

We have listed that we are both bisexual because we do not believe in limiting our options. We both enjoy watching the other work over a submissive.

We do not do 'scenes' or 'sessions', so we are not a good match for the occasional visitor or traveler. We are not cash doms, (but IF it ever came to accepting a full-time sub to serve our house, you would be expected to contribute to the household, both by holding a job and through hard domestic labor). Instead, a submissive will have the best luck with us if they approach us in a manner that is NOT transactional, but rather as an act of devotion. That is, a submissive is required to serve us without expecting specific recognition or reciprocity in return for any particular act. We appreciate the magnitude of what it takes to surrender power to another, and you will not be treated poorly. However, submissives should expect their personal needs to be met through the our knowledge of their desires, rather than through a list of specific requests. Honesty and trust are key. No topping from the bottom. Once hard limits are established, a submissive surrenders all rights to say no. Our hard limits include scat, blood, children, fire, animals needles, knife play and permanent marks or damage (tattoos, burns, brands).

We have a male submissive who, due to his vanilla life requirements, visits us only on occasion and you will be required to serve with him and/or any others that we choose.

We are sure that this site has its share of fakes, flakes, scammers and people who just want to do nothing but look at the pretty pictures while masturbating. If you fall into these categories (and you know if you do), do not waste your time or ours by contacting us.

We're also happy to chat with Dominant Women and Men to exchange views and ideas.