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At one time known as "Leadership527" here. Here's what you need to know. If you look at our tags on the discussion boards what they say is, "I am for her" and "I am for him". That is the ultimate truth of our relationship. Beyond all the details... more important than trivial things like who's bossing who around... way more significant than any label like dom or sub or master or slave... is the fact that we are for each other. Both Carol and I will mold ourselves without mercy to be the best we can be for our partner. Neither one of us is willing to accept any compromises from ourselves. If the marriage needs it, whatever "it" is, the moment is a stand and deliver moment. In many ways, the only difference between us is that I'm the one who sorts out what needs the marriage has. The pillars of our marriage are love and intimacy. The authority dynamic rates far down the scale of important stuff. If you want a rough approximation, think about a married couple who are DEEPLY in love and incredibly close in every way where the husband calls all the shots and the wife willingly obeys. Maybe what a BDSM person would call TPE without all the sexual hijinks. Carol's profile says it all pretty clearly too. http://www.collarme.com/CarolBC

8/14/2012 9:05:47 PM

Honor...

Honor is an interesting and many faceted concept.  Really, as a single word it encompasses a complex gestalt.  The one thing it was never intended to be is a marketing buzzword.  But so it has become in the BDSM subculture.  Let's be clear... if you're a Dom and you want to get some pussy then you're going to claim you are honorable.  Given human nature that means all doms are perfectly honorable at all times. The subs seem to lap this up like cats at the milk saucer - largely I think because they want that white knight on the huge steed to come and ... well ... beat them black and blue *laughs*.

But here's the rub.  Just like in the rest of society, the vast majority of them have "normal" standards of honor.  Those normal standards in the American culture are pretty low.  What that means is the vast majority of them are lying... roughly 90% I'd say.  Even the ones who actually do have some honor still lie... badly... about their honor.

Consider, for a moment, the high jump.  If you talked to some high jumper and he said he had never, ever, not even once, failed to get over the bar would you think that person was a great high jumper?  I know I wouldn't.  I'd either think they were a liar or else the bar was set at 2 inches.  That's basically the situation in the BDSM subculture.  Every dom who has never lied, never cheated, never behaved in a shabby way, and never failed his own standards of honor is JUST like that high jumper.  One of two things is true.  Either they are lying right now or else their standards of honor are so low as to be useless.

Were I a sub I think I'd ask doms, "Do you lie?"  The right answer is "Yes, sometimes."  I'd ask, "Are you honorable?"  The right answer is, "I try... not always successfully."  Anyone who has not considered their own honor sufficiently to see shades of grey has never considered it at all.  Ponder that.

8/14/2012 10:50:47 AM

If you have read anything on the discussion side that sounds "creepy" and that's why you're here I encourage you to skip down to the bottom.  I'm working on providing fuller information so that folks who just read one post on the boards can get the bigger picture.  One more thing before we get into the thick of things.  In this profile I'm talking about my own models for various sorts of D/s.  Do not make the mistake of thinking I apply any value judgements here.  I do not.  What I value is happiness.  The models, dynamics, and participants which produce that happiness are of interest to me.  But I always, always approve of "that which works".  Conversely, I disapprove of "that which fails".  So the guy who has the most badass authority dynamic in the whole world and can't keep a slave for more than a year or two at a time looks like an idiot to me, not a "true master".  So as you're reading down here, keep that in mind please.

 

And Speaking Of The Bigger Picture

Carol & I are a happily married, deeply in love, mostly vanilla couple living in Victoria, BC.  What you need to know about us more than anything is that we value love and intimacy.  We are very, very close as a couple.  It is love and intimacy which are the foundation of our relationship, not our authority dynamic.  So honestly... really... if you've read anything I've posted and it sounded abusive, predatorial, or twisted in any way then I can guarantee you you've somehow misinterpreted.  I understand how that can happen.  The words don't really convey the picture.  But when anyone sees us in real life what they see is a couple approaching two decades who are STILL dopey in love with each other.

 

I am for her

That's what it says under my avatar and it is true.  The line, itself, is a reference from Star Trek.  In the show it was an offering but when we say it is a statement of fact.  I am for her.  She is for me.  We are one.  (see what I mean about intimacy?)  Yes, even though I am the dominant party in this marriage, I am her's.  I don't belong to her in the BDSM sense of property.  But I have, in fact, dedicated my entire life to making her life as happy, fulfilled, and complete as it can be.  It is not a mis-statement to say that I live to serve her just as she lives to serve me.  Really, the only difference between us is that I'm the one who gets to sort out how all that serving is going to happen.  But this is not one of those one-directional M/s relationships that is all about the master.  For Carol and I, it is all about US.  For each of us individually it is much more about our partner than ourselves.

 

About our dynamic

We are a [mostly] vanilla couple who engage in an absolute obedience authority dynamic -- some might call it "head of household" and others M/s, TPE, or IE.  By absolute obedience what I mean is that she just obeys... period... no disobedience and no punishment.  There are no limits or whatnot... we don't get the point.  There's just me... doing my best to lead our marriage and her following that lead.  It's all rather boring and mundane -- well -- except for how happy it makes us.  It is not very "BDSM-ey" for lack of a better word.  It just doesn't have that flavor of "Selfish, demanding male taking his pleasure from his cringing slave girl".  I'm not selfish.  She doesn't cringe.  It's all much more of a team effort than that.  There's a definite lack of whips & chains, dog food bowls and the like in our marriage.

 

What do I mean by "socially dominant"?

BDSM people typically refer to "sexual dominance".  Beyond topping I honestly don't know what that is.  Then there is this thing I call "relational dominance".  That is to say, someone who is dominant within the context of their relationship.  When I say "social dominance" what I'm talking about is "the whole world".  To me, being "dominant" means that I am in control of as much of the world around me as I want to be.  I do not see myself as "powerless" in pretty much any situation.  I'm one of those "natural leader" types and have the track record to back it up.  I also understand that there are LOADS of folks more dominant than me.  For instance, I'm not the President.  In other words, when looking at "social dominance" you can't just have this boolean "dominant or not" view.  It's deeply hierarchical, very fluid, and terribly complex.  The most I can say is that "In way more situations than not, I am the one who is in control of my world in my own mind."

 

What's important here is to remember that I do not differentiate the kind of dominance that happens between myself and Carol and the kind that happens in the court room or the board room or wherever else.  Now.. just to provide a visual... I want you to imagine two bull seals determining their dominance during mating season.  You'll note that this is not a pretty or romantic process and neither asked for the other's consent in order to engage.  It's a battle and to the victor go the spoils.  That is the dominance I'm talking about.  That is exactly what Carol gets from me also... although it gets greatly buffered and modified and channeled by that little four letter word, Love.

 

If you've read a posting on "consent"

You will hear me say that I don't understand what "consent" has to do with dominance.  That does NOT mean that I think it's an OK thing to run around forcing women to blow me.  Consent has a lot to do with ethics.  But when I talk about "dominance" what I'm talking about is "social dominance" (see above).  And consent is not a required feature of it.  It's not even required ethically in all situations.  I've gotten into a fair number of power struggles throughout my career and never once did I ask the other person if it was OK if I usurped their authority.  I just did it... if I was able.  I never had anyone else ask me that question when they were trying to usurp my authority.

 

There's also another way that "consent" can become problematic.

 

Dominance by Agreement vs. Social Dominance

What I mean by "dominance by agreement" is what happens almost all the time in BDSM.  That is a fine thing but again, not what is true in Carol and my life.  For Carol and I, saying I am "more dominant than her" means "my will overshadows hers".  The is no "agreement".  It is an intrinsic function of our two personalities and the only way to stop it from happening would be for us to divorce.  Carol does not "agree to submit".  She just does because that's how her brain works.  I didn't "agree to dom her".  I just do because I don't have any choice in the presence of a worthy and submissive person.
 
So given that... one has to look at Carol's alleged "free will" in this setup.  we are not two people who are roughly equal on the social dominance scale.  Carol doesn't really have free will.  There is significant coercion present simply because I am me.  So "consent" becomes a useless tool if I'm trying to use it as some sort of "get out of responsibility free" card.  In Carol's case, "No" definitely means no.  But I sincerely doubt her ability to say "no".  So I cannot trust that "yes" means yes.  So for me, I can't simply say "Well, she nodded her head so I'm in the clear."  I had to embrace the full fact that she is mine... inside and out... to her peril or pleasure and it was ALL ON ME.  My only out would be to divorce her.  Consent is not a part of the equation.
 
Mind Control & Internal Obedience
No, this is not svengali-esque mind control techniques like NLP or any of the other claptrap that floats around.  You will hear me talk about "internal obedience".  What I am referring to is when I give Carol commands inside her head rather than for her outer body.  Consider these two commands:
 
External Obedience:  Wash the dishes mine.
Internal Obedience:  Learn to like washing dishes more mine.
Both:  I want you to wash the dishes and while doing so learn to like it.
 
I often times hear subs say, "He can make me do something but he can't make me like it."  Well, I can with Carol.  That isn't some sort of magic nor is it 100% successful.  What it is is quite simple.  It's me having the audacity to do things like that and her have the strength, commitment, and malleability to make the changes inside herself.  As an example, consider the following.  
 
Suppose you had some deep spiritual problem so you trekked on over to the Dalai Lama, got an audience and asked your question.  Suppose he responded, "Really, I think you're thinking about the whole thing wrong."  Don't you think you'd be likely to want to reconsider how you viewed the problem?  Well yes... it's like that.  It's not magic.  It's entirely normal.  And the only thing that makes it even remotely noteworthy between Carol and I is that we embrace it and have practiced it for several years.  Predictably, Carol has gotten better at turning her head around.  It can actually be quite dramatic nowadays... creepy even (*laughs*) if you forget about that "love" thing.
 
That leads me to yet one more way in which "consent" is highly problematic for Carol and I.  If I can actually make her desire something, then I can make her agree to pretty much anything.  It's not too hard to see how I could lead her a HUGE FREAKIN WAY down the primrose path one step at a time to almost anything.  Basically, asking Carol to agree to something is like being a puppeteer and asking the puppet a question while nodding it's head in agreement.  Really?  Does anyone think that the head nod means anything useful?
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